IETF STEERING GROUP (IESG) REPORT FROM THE IETF MEETING February 1st, 1993 Reported by: Greg Vaudreuil, IESG Secretary This report contains IESG meeting notes, positions and action items. These minutes were compiled by the IETF Secretariat which is supported by the National Science Foundation under Grant No. NCR 8820945. For more information please contact the IESG Secretary. iesg-secretary@cnri.reston.va.us. ATTENDEES --------- Almquist, Philip / Consultant Borman, David / Cray Research Chapin, Lyman / BBN Crocker, Dave / TBO Crocker, Steve / TIS Coya, Steve / CNRI Davin, Chuck / Bellcore Gross, Philip / ANS Hinden, Robert / SUN Hobby, Russ / UC-DAVIS Knowles, Stev / FTP Software Reynolds, Joyce / ISI Stockman, Bernard / SUNET/NORDUnet Piscitello, Dave/ Bellcore Vaudreuil, Greg / CNRI Regrets Huizer, Erik / SURFnet AGENDA ------ 1) Administrivia o Approval of the Minutes January 25th 2) Protocol Actions o SMTP Extensions o Directed ARP o Token Ring MIB o NFS o RPC o IP Address Guidelines o Lightweight Directory Access Protocol 3) Technical Management Issues o SNMP Security o Policy Statements o RIP Applicability Statement o Wide Area Routing with RIP o BOF Policy 4) RFC Editor Actions o Secure FTP 5) Working Group Actions o IP Security (ipsec) o Skinny Stack (skinstak) o Remote Conferencing (remconf) o Integrated Directory Services (ids) o Directory Information Services Infrastructure (disi) MINUTES --------- 1) Administrivia o Approval of the Minutes Approval of the minutes of the 25th was deferred until the next meeting. o Next Meeting Monday February 8th, 11:30 ET. 2) Protocol Actions o SMTP Extensions Revised documents were submitted to the IESG. The ballot was completed and the SMTP Extensions documents were passed as a Proposed Standard. ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send the Protocol Action for the SMTP Extensions documents. o Directed Arp A specification for Directed ARP was submitted to the IESG by the IPLPDN Working Group for approval as an Experimental Protocol. As an Experimental Protocol, the IESG is to review the specification for basic IETF quality control. The proposal is a significant departure from the traditional IP architecture and the IESG was not confident this would work or comfortable with this proposal as a Working Group product. There does not appear to be a strong constituency nor much desire to utilize this approach within the Working Group. ACTION: Piscitello -- Notify the IPLPDN Working Group chair of the IESG concerns about the Directed ARP protocol and ascertain the extent to which the proposal has the backing of the Working Group. o Token Ring MIB o Token Bus MIB A last call for the Token Ring and Token Bus MIBS was sent to the IETF mailing list. After almost two years, there does not appear to be sufficient implementation or operational experience to warrant elevation Draft Standard status. The IESG agreed to pursue moving these MIBs to Historic Status. ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a second last call for the Token Ring and Token BUS MIBS for Historic Status. o NFS o RPC Progress continues to be made in securing the necessary releases to charter an IETF Working Group to standardize NFS. The IESG discussed the circumstances by which a Working Group could be formed to work on evolving a proprietary protocol, and agreed that a letter of release to the ISOC should be a prerequisite to the formation of a Working Group. POSITION: Working groups can be formed to evolve and standardize formerly proprietary protocols only after a letter of release giving the ISOC the rights to standardize further evolutions of the protocol. o IP Addressing Guidelines The IP addressing guidelines will be considered as part of a set of CIDR related documents. Until these documents are submitted to the IESG, the IP addressing document will remain on the IESG Agenda. o Lightweight Directory Protocol/ String representation of Attribute Syntaxes These two protocols were presented as a candidate for Proposed Standard. It is not clear whether these should be one standard or two. Further consideration was deferred until the more Area Director familiar with these protocols returns from vacation. o PEM A discussion has begun on the IETF mailing list on the initial lack of PEM and MIME integration. The IESG briefly discussed the comments and concluded that the issues had been addressed and that work to integrate PEM and MIME is progressing in parallel. 3) Technical Management Issues o Special documents (AS, Policy Documents) The IAB has suggested to the IESG that because of the significant impact among external organizations, it may be helpful have Applicability Statements and policy statements reviewed by the IAB. The IESG agreed that it would be entirely reasonable to submit such documents for review provided that the review does not require an additional level of formal approval in addition to the normal standards process including the last call. POSITION: Review of Applicability Statements will be conducted with the IAB in such a manner that input and guidance can be provided without adding an additional level of formal approval. o SNMP Security The IESG did not discuss the continuing problems in the SNMP Security Working Group. Efforts at mediation through Steve Crocker are continuing. It was noted and acknowledged by the Security Area Director that the SNMP Security Working Group is not yet scheduled for the Columbus IETF Meeting. o Policy Statements. Several Proposals for a new series of documents for statements of policy have been proposed to address the need to give weight to statements which are not protocols. While an additional document series may be useful, the IESG concluded that the range of possible documents were likely to make any such series less than adequate. The current mechanism for standards track Applicability Statements and Informational documents was considered adequate as a rough general mechanism for the needs of IESG expression. POSITION: The current system of standards track Applicability Statements and Informational documents is adequate for publication of Statements of Policy. o RIP Applicability Statement No progress to report. o Wide Area Routing with RIP No progress to report. o BOF Policy There does not exist a uniform policy for the approval of BOF sessions at IETF meetings. The variation of practices among the Area Directors is causing confusion. The discussion reached consensus on several key points. BOFs should meet only once, with a second meeting possible to write an IETF Working Group charter. Non-IETF groups could meet as IETF BOFs provided they meet normal requirements for openness, minutes preparation and do not compete for limited space. ACTION Coya -- Summarize the IESG discussions on BOF policy. o US Domain A heads up was given to the IESG on possible issues in the use of the US domain. ACTION: IESG - Review RFC 1386 for possible issues. 4) RFC Editor Actions o Secure FTP A request was made to the RFC Editor for the source to the FTP RFC. This request was made to allow easy updating of the FTP protocol document to add security. A BOF was held during the San Diego IETF meeting and resulted in a list of potential changes to FTP. ACTION: Russ Hobby -- Investigate the viability of a Working Group to revise the FTP protocol to include security as well as other additional features. ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Report the IESG intention of forming an FTP Working Group to the RFC Editor. 5) Working Group Actions. o IP Security Protocol Revised text for the charter is still expected. o Minimal OSI Upper Layers (thinosi) The IESG accepted the charter for the thinosi Working Group. ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Announce the Minimal OSI Upper Layers Working Group to the IETF-Announce mailing list. o Directory Information Services Infrastructure (disi) The disi Working Group is to be replaced by the Integrated Directory Services Working Group and was concluded by the User Services Area Director. ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Announce the conclusion of the DISI Working Group to the IETF-Announce mailing list. o Integrated Directory Services (ids) Consideration of the IDS Working Group was deferred. o Remote Conferencing Work on chartering the Remote Conferencing Working Groups has stalled. The IESG agreed to discuss this at the next teleconference. APPENDIX -- Summary of Action Items ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send the Protocol Action for the SMTP Extensions documents. ACTION: Piscitello -- Notify the IPLPDN Working Group chair of the IESG concerns about the Directed ARP protocol and ascertain the extent to which the proposal has the backing of the Working Group. ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a second last call for the Token Ring and Token BUS MIBS for Historic Status. ACTION: IESG - Review RFC 1386 for possible issues. ACTION Coya -- Summarize the IESG discussions on BOF policy. ACTION: Russ Hobby -- Investigate the viability of a Working Group to revise the FTP protocol to include security as well as other additional features. ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Report the IESG intention of forming an FTP Working Group to the RFC Editor. ACTION: Russ Hobby -- Investigate the viability of a Working Group to revise the FTP protocol to include security as well as other additional features. ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Report the IESG intention of forming an FTP Working Group to the RFC Editor.